John Perry Barlow on Sun, 21 Jul 96 07:00 MDT |
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Here is mail from a friend of mine on the scene in Singapore... Subject: Re: Singapore censorship justified by US censorship To: gnu@toad.com (John Gilmore) Date: Sat, 20 Jul 1996 13:18:11 +0800 (SGT) Cc: marv@infront.com.sg, gnu@toad.com, barlow@eff.org MIME-Version: 1.0 From: marv@infront.com.sg (Marvin Tay) Earlier, John Gilmore was recalled saying: > > The US Congress is very squeamish about appearing to vote against the > wishes of extremely religious people, or appearing to vote to allow > sexual materials. Being of asian background, this is level of extreme conservatism is more apparent with not only our government but a majority of our Singapore population. > This situation partly exists because of a hypocracy in American > society about sex. Publicly, many people object to the existence of In actual fact, this duality that you've observed in US politicians is far more entrenched in the asian society. Whereas the squeamish level when it comes to sex and pornography has very low tolerence in Asia, we are still widely known in the tourist sex trade with sex meccas in Thailand and much of Indo China. Also to reiterate one point that Will Gibson mentioned in his Disneyland article, despite the govt.'s blanket ban on all forms of pornography and erotica, much of the flesh trade is still alive, available and governtment regulated. IMHO, this duality occurs not just because of hypocricy but more so because of the asian man's view and under-respect of his fellow woman. It shows in the culture and it shows in the economy. The level of sex discrimination still remains high in the upper echelon of the asian society. This and the fact that those in power refuse to admit it puts the issue of censorship and freedom of speech (in Singapore) in a very sensitive and delicate balance. > sex-repressed people. This is true of the recent Communications > Decency Act which attempted to censor the Internet; it has been > invalidated by a court. This decision was recently appealed to our > Supreme Court, the final arbiter of our rights, which is almost > certain to decide the same thing. Unfortunately, Singapore does not have such priviledges. No matter how enlightened our judiciary may one day become, it will still unanimously vote against any ruling that intends to relax the flow (if any) of pornography. They do so with the blessing of the justifiable majority as well. Hence our stand is not to focus the issue on pornography on the Internet for no one will stand behind that. The thing is, Singapore has in it's short span has already developed a conservative majority who have been brought up with a virutal parent standing over their shoulders hushing them in everything they do. The level of self-censorship is very evident. Hence, pornography although widely downloaded, will never find it's way into a public_html/ sub-directory. Not in Singapore. Yes we are sexually repressed, but in a good way :) In any case, our main fight is with the govt. using pornography as an excuse to curb our currently free-flow discussion on topics about life, religion and politics. This, we find their stand completely unacceptable and their logic, completely twisted. Their main thrust is that although they do not wish to outright curb it, they want to regulate it so that any time if they feel that someone has violated one of their vaguely objectionable guidelines, the webmaster will be hauled up and asked to provide details of the poster failing which he will be liable to a fine and possibly for prosecution. This is like having a sword hanging over every webmaster, IRCop and sysadmin's head. It's just as bad as just banning free expression outright. The final result will be the same. Update: We're gaining some momentum in our call for an open dialogue (read petition) with the authorities. We've managed to get quite a fair bit of (otherwise apathetic Singaporeans) local internetters to chip in their comments and speak their views openly. I was even surprised that they would put their real names and stick their necks out for this worthy cause. It's a sign that times are a changin'. The printed press including our govt' regulated national newspaper has so far been fair towards our position. The authorities have expressed interest in meeting up for a dialogue and we have managed to canvass some support from certain enlightened high level govt. officials. In short, though we lack any form of legal representation, we're still taking on the authorities and will be using the information that you have generously made known to us to combat this new regulation. We may not win in the end, but at least we will go down fighting. Thanks again for your help, support and inspiration. If not for EFF and the organised internet move to go against the CDA, we may not have had the guts to reach this far in our own fight. Good luck with your battle and it's my sincere hope that we will all succeed in our endevours. best regds, Marv --- Marvin Tay Information Frontiers Pte Ltd Internet: marv@infront.com.sg Operations 89 Science Park Drive #04-09 Fax :(65)-7736812 Centre Singapore 118261 Tel (O) :(65)-7710831 **************************************************************** John Perry Barlow, Cognitive Dissident Co-Founder, Electronic Frontier Foundation Home(stead) Page: http://www.eff.org/~barlow Message Service: 800/634-3542 Barlow in Meatspace Today: New York, New York! Coming soon to: Dallas 7/23-25, Pinedale, Wyoming 7/26-8/5, San Francisco... 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