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Re: <nettime> Beyond the deplorables

Just chiming in to +1 Ted's impressively succinct and well-crafted response. She is a polarizing figure who is difficult to write about. So perhaps it's worth a ++1. 

/David


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   2. Re: Beyond the deplorables (Ted Byfield)


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Question from a non US citizen: is Hillary Clinton's statement on a recent CNN interview that "Supporters of Donald Trump may need to be ?deprogrammed? a candidate for the most idiotic remark ever made by a senior politician ? To me it encapsulates much of whats wrong with the progressive liberal engagement with the world beyond its own silo boiled down to a sinister soundbite. Its important to understand whats going on if only as a clue to anyone looking to better understand the Trumpian 
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Date: Sat, 07 Oct 2023 13:26:06 -0400
From: Ted Byfield <tedbyfield@gmail.com>
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On 7 Oct 2023, at 10:58, David Garcia wrote:
Question from a non US citizen: is Hillary Clinton's statement on a recent CNN interview that "Supporters of Donald Trump may need to be ?deprogrammed? a candidate for the most idiotic remark ever made by a senior politician ? To me it encapsulates much of whats wrong with the progressive liberal engagement with the world beyond its own 
silo boiled down to a sinister soundbite. Its important to
understand whats going on if only as a clue to anyone looking to 
better understand the Trumpian appeal.


Yes. Accurate or not, it was profoundly bad judgment on every
level. But profoundly bad judgment is the Clintons' (plural) hallmark style. At least Bill mostly has the sense to STFU, particularly at sensitive moments ? like, say, the delicate, once-in-a-zillennium conjuncture when GOP House leadership is in chaos, Dems are wooing 
(alleged) GOP moderates to break Trump's stranglehold on the US
imagination, and Trump's empire of litigation is crumbling around his 
head. Hillary Clinton ("HC" hereafter), in contrast, does the
opposite: that's exactly then when she, one of the most
QUOTE-polarizing-UNQOUTE figures in US politics, will call attention 
to herself with a "deplorable"-grade soundbite.

HC is difficult to talk about, because she occupies a supposed
political center"that's largely of her own and her husband's making, through their reorientation of the Dems away from working-class and 
minority concerns and toward a toxic mix of *financialized
identity*. There are more common name for that, like "OK Boomer": a nexus of political-economic structural biases hidden behind a glass of Pinot Grigio and repartee made up of denialist, 'splainy "truths." To criticize HC is to criticize not just her as a person or as a symbol but the fragile edifice of self-seeking hypocrisy that imagines itself 
to be both the "center" and the "left," somehow, as well as the
"resistance," the "reality-based community," the only thing that
stands between "us" and the apocalypse, etc.
Similar things could be said about various Blairites in the UK, and I'm sure other politicians in other contexts. But in HC's case there are additional complications, stemming from her gender ? which isn't optional or external, is it? ? and the history of how it's has been used, counter-used, meta-used, etc. Much of what I said above is about imaginaries, but HC's gender aspect is *very* real. Criticisms of her resonate deeply with many women, and that resonance itself matters: as 
a moment, a truth, a guide, a lesson, and more.
I'd be delighted to see women take control of the US for the next few centuries, but with a few exceptions, and HC is one of them. She's immensely accomplished and, unlike many prominent figures, has mostly 
tried to do what she thinks is right. But it's one thing to
acknowledge someone's achievements and status, quite another to
reframe them by saying ? as people did in the last election ? that "she's the most qualified." She was *more* qualified than Trump, which is a hilariously low bar; but qualifications don't entitle you to 
something you desire. She sees herself as the presidential heir
apparent and her return to the White House as a restoration. And that, I think, explains her penchant for saying aggressively ill-judged 
things at aggressively ill-judged times: they're a gambit for
attention.
That's the why, but not the why *now*? She knows very well it was an 
insanely provocative thing to say, tailor-made to garner
attention. She's certainly aware of debates about whether Biden is "too old," non-debates about the fact that Harris would be unelectable 
if she ran for president, and the fact that No One Ever wants a
Biden?Trump rematch. My guess: HC said it not just to get herself back in the news, but to get herself back in the political imaginary as a 
fallback candidate for the Democrats.

The fact that she's basically right is incidental,
imo. "Deprogramming" evokes some very weird, and under-'processed' threads in US cultural history, mainly centering on allegations of Chinese communist "brainwashing" in the '50s, to the flowering of cult culture in the '70s, to the networked neo-paranoia of the '90s (with the Clintons at center stage, no less). The conceptual divide that 
these things share in common is precisely the dissolution of the
individual into a larger ideology; but in explicit US culture,
individualist discourse always prevail ideological discourse ? so framing the problem in that way will *always* be taken, paradoxically, as a personal attack en masse. It certainly isn't a pragmatic effort to build bridges and persuade the opposition; it's for her supporters. 

tl;dr: she's firing up her own base.


Ted


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